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Battery backup failed.
Power went out with the recent hurricane (Sally). Approx. 12 hours later I thought to check the system. Dead as a doornail. Can someone from SS explain why and how to ensure this doesn't happen again? Terribly disappointed at finding this out
whoaru99
1.3K Messages
4 years ago
The SS system in backup is no different than any other thing powered by batteries, there is a finite amount of time it can run on the batteries.
Leave your cellphone off the charger, the battery eventually goes dead.
Leave a flashlight turned on, the batteries eventually go dead.
Leave the headlights of your car turned on without the engine running, the battery eventually goes dead.
There is no way to absolutely ensure it will never happen again because there is no battery that can provide power indefinitely.
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sevensiamesecats
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4 years ago
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whoaru99
1.3K Messages
4 years ago
That, however, seemed well beyond the OPs expectations of the inherent system capabilities, "terribly disappointed at finding this out", that the batteries eventually run down.
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coltmaster1
2.8K Messages
4 years ago
Just like the smashsafe claim.
And the motion sensors detecting intruders, not pets.
And a half dozen other claims SS has continued to make. We all know better, but new customers don't, because they have faith in the claims made by the company, and won't find out until after purchase, or via forums, fb etc.
A few changes to their claims isn't going to hurt their bottom line. Best to be honest than not.
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kegan36604
12 Messages
4 years ago
1. While I did check the system at about the 12 hour mark, I have no idea when it actually died. Might have been after 11 hours 59 minutes; or maybe within the first hour.
2. Checking the activity log of my account, it shows several power outages with the follow up message (and I quote): Power out. Your home is still protected. Battery back-up in use. This message was repeated many times after I confirmed the dead battery. So, no, it was not protected SimpliSafe.
3. As to the trolls & keyboard warriors who took the time to slam my post by inferring that I'm too dim to know batteries eventually die-- no kidding? And that is helpful how? [Rhetorical question, don't bother answering].
Perhaps I should have made my question clearer - how do I ensure I get the battery life more in line with what I was promised and paid for?
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kepster9312
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4 years ago
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sevensiamesecats
2.2K Messages
4 years ago
Perhaps they picked 24 hours out of the air. You know something like "Hey we've going to have backup batteries, how long should they last for. I don't know, 24 hours sounds good. Yeah, that sounds good." And then did not design or test for that. We know there is not good communication between the customer team and the development team, so it should not surprise us if the same is so between the marketing team and the development team.
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whoaru99
1.3K Messages
4 years ago
There was no trolling.
Nobody here knows what you do or don't know. So, yes, when you make a post that sounds like you don't have a clue then you might just get a response geared for someone who sounds like they don't have a clue.
As someone else mentioned, standby time seems to be around 8 hours, give or take. A year or so back I actually measured the current draw of SS2 base in my system and calculated the theoretical max standby. Unfortunately I don't recall the numbers. As well, how SS2 compares to SS3 in standby is unclear.
How SS comes with up to 24 hours nobody (except them) knows and they generally don't divulge that level of detail. Probably under some sort of ideal test case. Unfortunately, "up to 24 hours" is a bit of a weasel word phrase because it doesn't guarantee anything specific.
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whoaru99
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4 years ago
Rigged up a way to monitor current draw when the base was running on the standby batteries. Over ~8 hour period the average draw was ~40mA (as recorded by Min/Max/Average function of Fluke 179). Based on 1000mAh capacity of the batteries, in theory, that's 25 hours of standby on the presumption the batteries can deliver their rated mAh. Of course, arming/disarming and other things that make the base talk spike the draw. As well, there is a frequent, regularly occurring small spike in current that I presume may be the base polling the sensors or cell service, or maybe it's just some other process inherent to the system.
Anyway, what I found interesting was around 8 or 9 hours in the base reported low battery but I let it keep going. Some while later it appeared to go offline as I disarmed and tried to rearm it. I removed the batteries and checked their voltage, the four were all 1.23 - 1.24 volts. Interesting, since the nominal voltage of NiMh AA battery is 1.2V. Thinking maybe it was just unloaded voltage, I put the batteries back into the base and it fired right up. Measuring the batteries actually working in the base there was no appreciable change in the measured voltage. To me that suggested there was at least some life left in the batteries but that can be a little tricky because NiMh has a pretty flat voltage curve to discharge.
Now, the real kicker, after I put the batteries back in the base (mind you they'd already been used in standby for 8-9 hours) the base is still functioning this morning after another 8-9 hours on standby and the battery voltage is still 1.213 - 1.217V on all cells.
I'm wondering if the main reason the standby time doesn't seem to be longer is due to an error in battery life calculation rather than just a matter of battery capacity vs load. No doubt there will still be some variability between systems, but these are very interesting observations to me.
Going to keep on with this, removing and reinstalling the batteries if necessary, to see just how long it might go in this experiment before it seems truly dead.
(and, yes, i understand removing and replacing the batteries isn't practical nor should it be required. the point is the experiment and what it might be telling us)
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whoaru99
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4 years ago
Why it seemed to stop working properly after the first 8-9 hours of standby, but then worked normally for an additional 15-16 hours after removing and reinstalling the same batteries is a mystery. My hypothesis is there is something not right about the battery life monitor. That said, it was a one unit sample and under fairly ideal conditions...not a huge number of sensors, only one sensor at a somewhat far distance (~70ft), and pretty good cellular signal. Still though, I find the results interesting but what's really going on for sure I don't know..
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coltmaster1
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whoaru99
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4 years ago
It would be even more interesting if someone else with SS2 (just to keep apples to apples) would let their system run on standby until it stopped working, then pull the batteries for minute or two then put them back in and see what happens. Will that system too then run another 8 hours or more?
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sevensiamesecats
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4 years ago
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whoaru99
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kristendoss64
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4 years ago
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