Next Generation Hazard Protection: Introducing the NEW 2-in-1 Smoke & CO Detector

I just received the email announcing the new "2-in-1 Smoke & Carbon Monoxide Detector" with a link to the product page:

https://simplisafe.com/smoke-and-carbon-monoxide-detector

I have a few questions:

1) Are the capabilities /features of the smoke and CO detectors in the 2-in-1 unit different (read: improved) than the capabilities of the dedicated smoke detector and the dedicated CO detector? If so, please explain how.

2) Why on earth didn't you all add AC power with battery as a back up to these units? This method of power (wired w/ battery back up) is a requirement in many areas so this can't replace existing wired solutions for many of us.

3) In the FAQ on the product page one of the questions is "If the Smoke & CO Detector siren is going off, will my other SimpliSafe sirens sound as well?" and the answer given is:

Yes, SimpliSafe Gen 3 products with sirens are interconnected meaning that your Base Station and other sirens such as your SimpliSafe Outdoor Camera or Extra Siren will sound in unison when there’s an emergency.

THis language is very clear that the base station and sirens will go off when the 2-in-1 goes off but it doesn't mention whether the dedicated CO detector, dedicated smoke alarm and the new 2-in-1 detectors will go off when the new 2-in-1 unit goes off. Can you please clarify the behavior here? I'm guessing this is no different than what we have currently and these will NOT all go off if one goes off.

3a) Assuming the answer above is what I expect and the other detectors do not go off if one goes off, why on earth didn't you all add this functionality? Just as with 2) above this is a building code requirement in many areas and once again you've released a product that can't replace a solution we have today.

This device doesn't meet California code for smoke detectors. Since 2014, California has required wireless smoke detectors to have a 10 year battery life with a sealed battery compartment. 

This device does not meet Massachusetts code for smoke/carbon detectors

• Must be photoelectric (it does not state if they are)
• smoke detectors must be hardwired with a battery back up
• smoke/carbon detector combos must be hardwired with batter back up
• smoke detectors must be interconnected and have tones and voice to determine what they detect
• heat detectors are required in attached/under garages for homes built (or any additions) starting 1/2008 - they must interconnect into the smoke detector system.

I would definitely replace mine with these when their 10 years is up which is not that far off. But they don't meet code so I cannot.

Nice

Bump? It's been over 48 hours since I asked some simple questions about a new product that should be trivial to answer. Can we get a product manager or someone in the know to come here and engage with us?

Will and when will this be available in the UK?

As smoke and CO2 detectors can be easily 'falsely' triggered in normal working conditions in a domestic kitchen, have you considered adding a "rate-of-rise" temperature detector?

Bought 4 of them, they are working perfectly when tested. Hopefully I never have to actually need them. 

@davey_d​ 

https://www.kidde.com/home-safety/en/us/fire-safety/fire-safety-laws/

If you search for "interconnected" and "hardwired" and you'll see 40+ states require one or both of these things. 

You'll also notice the following for California specifically:

"Effective July 1, 2014, no person shall market, distribute, offer for sale, or sell any smoke alarm that is not operated by a non-replaceable, non-removable battery that is capable of powering the smoke alarm for at least 10 years."

Technically speaking, it seems you all are breaking the law (and have been since 2014), selling your smoke alarms in CA. You can find the text of the bill at https://openstates.org/ca/bills/20132014/SB745/ which says:

Existing law, commencing January 1, 2014, requires a smoke alarm to
meet prescribed requirements, including, but not limited to, the requirement
that it incorporate an end-of-life feature that provides notice that the device
needs to be replaced and that it, if battery operated, contain a nonreplaceable,
nonremovable battery capable of powering the smoke alarm at least 10 years
in order for the smoke alarm to be approved by the State Fire Marshal.
Existing law authorizes the State Fire Marshal to suspend enforcement of
this requirement for a period not to exceed 6 months.

This bill would recast those provisions to, instead, require commencing
July 1, 2014, a smoke alarm that is only battery operated to contain a
nonreplaceable, nonremovable battery capable of powering the smoke alarm
for at least 10 years in order to be approved by the State Fire Marshal. The
bill would also require, commencing January 1, 2015, a smoke alarm to
display the manufacture date, provide a place to write the date of installation
on the device, and incorporate a hush feature in order for the State Fire
Marshal to approve it. The bill would delete the authority for the State Fire
Marshal to suspend enforcement of these requirements, and would authorize
the State Fire Marshal to adopt exceptions through its regulatory process.

Y'all really seem to be struggling with CA laws. I'm still waiting, a year later, for an answer about the CA law you appear to be breaking regarding not providing an online method for people to terminate their service. Let that sink in, A YEAR LATER. If past performance is an indicator of future performance I'll still be waiting in a year for a response to this thread. (And, I'd probably wager $10 at least, a response to the other thread!)

Edit: If you go to the KIdde site above and also search for "non-removable" you'll see that in addition to CA there are laws in Illinois that also require a non-removable battery as of this year::

Chicago: Effective January 1, 2023, it is unlawful for a person to sell, offer for sale, or give away any smoke alarm that does not receive primary power from a building's wiring, or is powered by a self-contained, non-removable, long-term battery. On or after January 1, 2022, solely battery-powered smoke alarms installed in multifamily dwellings must be powered by a self-contained, non-removable, long-term battery. By January 1, 2033, solely battery-powered alarms in owner occupied dwelling units must be replaced by alarms powered by a self-contained, non-removable, long-term battery.

Are y’all considering producing a Rate of Rise Heat Detector? Would love to purchase those. 

@davey_d​ I hope it’s an improvement over the smoke alarm. I’ve had 4 false alarms, 2 replacements. Last nite got another false alarm. I’m returning 4 smoke detectors for refund 

Will this only work with the Gen 3 base station? How can you tell with base station you have? 

Hi. Do you have any documentation showing that the smoke detectors, and the system as a whole, meet NFPA 72 standards for fire monitoring? Twin Falls, ID fire department is requiring a hardwired system, but we're in a 40 year old home with no existing system. Huge undertaking to wire it if we can't find documentation to prove to them a SimpliSafe system would meet the NFPA 72 code.

Any help here is greatly appreciated.

My daughter's new smoke/CO alarm went off last night while she was in the shower, with the bathroom door closed. The normal smoke alarm in the same space was not activated. Apparently this unit is sensitive to humidity and needs to be placed a good distance away from bathrooms, which in her case will put it farther away from the bedrooms, possibly defeating the purpose.

Why does the Co/smoke detector have a flashing white light, that flashes randomly. The units are installed in living areas. A real sleep deprivation device.