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What happens?
I have to wonder.. When a system is armed with no functioning motion or glass-break sensors in the area; what happens IF someone 'quickly' smashes a window, jerks both the tape mounted sensors from the frame and the sash window and tapes them together- before opening the window frame and entering through it?
shiherlis
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curiousgeorge
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shiherlis
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undeleted
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And yes, Shiherlis is one of the nicest people here. I'm one of the resident jerks I think lol.
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curiousgeorge
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Actually, I spent 30 years dealing with burglars and the like. I pretty well know just how the successful ones think. I am about to buy a system but wanted to research before I bought and learn any shortcomings before laying out the long-green.
As I understand it Simplisafe gives you about 30 seconds to come through a door and disarm at the keypad. Reasoning out the behavior of the same entry sensor on a door as on a window it would appear to the uninformed that that inside of that 30 second window of time a 'normalized' situation could be reestablished and prevent the alarm from going off.
The kitchen is where I was concentrating on and putting up a glass-break sensor is not recommended. I would back the room with a motion detector but it is supposed to deactivate when 'at home' during the night -thus, it is inappropriate. That would leave only window/door entry sensors functioning during that period. Thus the curiosity about just the entry sensors being activated. I was hoping for a factual response as conjecture would obviously not prove anything.
Thanks
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coltmaster1
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5 years ago
Hide your sensors/magnets on the windows to the best of your ability without compromising function.
I've heard one can use a magnet to defeat door sensors, so use two on the door beyond an arm's length apart (would be difficult for one person to move a magnet across a door to find two sensors). Would only do this if you don't have a glassbreak or motion sensor to cover the room.
Why is putting a glass-break sensor in your kitchen "not recommended"? It serves two purposes - it listens for the sound of the first "thud" against glass, and the subsequent sound of shattering/breaking glass. If you mean SS's recommendation for not in the kitchen due to people breaking dishes or something, if you're using the glassbreak sensor at night, for when you're sleeping, not likely anyone is going to be in the kitchen breaking dishes.
You can certainly set up one or more motion sensors to be armed in Home mode. It's by default, that the motion sensors are OFF in Home mode. You'd change this in your settings via keypad, or online control panel if you have interactive monitoring. Just be advised that you'd want to have armed motion sensors in an area you're not likely to wander about at night in a sleepy stupor :)
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sevensiamesecats
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Of course, it is possible to defeat magnetic switches. Any magnetic switch. So having them obvious/visible should be avoided to the degree practical. I mount the sensors in the molding and the magnets on the frame, so hard to see from outside. But of course, I also have glass break, as if they break out the glass, they can climb through and not worry about the entry sensor. I also have motion sensors and even a few sensors on interior doors.
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curiousgeorge
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As said, I based my thoughts on what I read, mostly from SS's installation manual that recommends no glass-break in the kitchen. I was not aware the motion sensors -default- could be overridden like in the garage at night while home. I planned on having adequate motion and glass-break sensors strategically placed for the away mode. The idea of NOT posting any warnings of a SS system is a good one except one might incur damage from some dufus making a 'sophmoric attempt' that wouldn't have happened otherwise. My major concern is for my wife to be secure if I am not there. I'm Old School and not really into living and breathing Smart Phone and the likes, so SS seems to be the best and probably the most economical thing out there, so will probably go with it.
Much appreciated, gave a GREAT day!
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60ampfuse
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curiousgeorge
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curiousgeorge
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Lol
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coltmaster1
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5 years ago
So yes, don't let the glassbreak sensors deter you - you can set them like most of the other sensors, disabled in Home mode, armed in Away mode, etc.
The motion sensors are a different story - they are pretty sensitive, but with the right placement and testing, they work for a lot of people (if you have pets, you would want to set them up differently, sensitivity settings, etc) but if you have questions, just post them and some of us will try to help out.
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lance843
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curiousgeorge
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OK; One more time for the 60ampfuse: The reason you are "lost" is that you apparently have never attended the site of a through-the-glass burglary. I HAVE (many-many). The majority of the time when a body passes through 'a broken glass IN- frame' to gain entry, it will be lacerated and will leak blood, leaving DNA at the scene. This is due to the fact that pieces and bits of fragmented glass sticks to the frame tape creating a condition comparable to an open shark's mouth making it tuff on a body.
If this does not make sense I suggest you: (1) Break the window out of a sash window in your house and then crawl through the frame with the window frame open. (2) Then close the frame and repeat crawling through the broken out glass. [Which hurt worse?]
(3) Then Change your moniker to 10ampfuse.
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