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Remotely triggering an alarm
I was alerted to movement by outdoor cameras while remote and found there were people on the property trying to get into the house I discovered then that there is no obvious way via the app or website to set off the alarm. Am I missing some way to trigger the system alarm remotely similar to the panic button or is a break-in/indoor device trigger required for an alarm to be sounded?
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captain11
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Johnny M, want to pass on, again, to the dev team?
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hondaman88
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captain11
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simpli_9gfs2y
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Im now lead to wonder if I actually call the monitoring center if I will discover that only cancellation of alarms are possible and my reporting of verifiable recorded trespass will be ignored.
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hondaman88
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3 years ago
One of the first results when searching online:
Burglary and Criminal Trespassing are two different crimes that involve unlawfully entering or being present on another's property. However, from a legal standpoint, the two are defined very differently. The consequences of each act also vary depending upon local laws. Read on to learn about the differences between burglary and criminal trespassing:
Definitions of Burglary and Criminal Trespassing
Burglary is the entry into a building illegally with intent to commit a crime, especially theft. The crime of burglary is very specific. At its purest definition, it means a person illegally entered a property with the ‚ÄØintent to commit a crime. For instance, if a person picks a lock or breaks a window to enter a house with the intention to steal jewelry and money, this is a burglary.
Here's another example, if someone entered an unlocked door with the intention of causing harm to a person inside, this too is a form of burglary. According to the ‚ÄØU.S. Bureau of Justice, the four types of burglary are: Completed burglary, forcible entry, unlawful entry without force, and attempted forcible entry. If authorities arrest a person for burglary, the charge could range from a misdemeanor to a felony.
Criminal Trespassing
Criminal trespassing is intentionally entering, or remaining on, someone else's property without their explicit authorization. It's also defined by when a person intrudes or remains on someone else's property without their permission; it is considered a criminal offense. Like burglary, the key word here also is‚ÄØ intent.‚ÄØ To meet this criterion and be considered to be unlawful, the person must have:
Knowingly gone onto the property without authorization
Remained on the property after learning their presence is unwelcome
Owner specifically directed visitors are unwanted and was ignored (i.e., a posted sign, fence around the property, verbal statement, or a locked structure)
Accidentally wandering around someone's wooded property isn't deliberate and would not be considered criminal trespass but traipsing through their woods to go deer hunting after reading a "no trespassing' sign would be. Most of the time, criminal trespass is an infraction or misdemeanor, however, there are some states that consider it to be a felony. If any‚ÄØ damage is done to the property during the trespass, the consequences are typically more severe.
Key Differences
To charge a person with burglary, law enforcement must be able to demonstrate they intended to commit a crime when they knowingly entered someone's property. They typically do this by establishing circumstantial evidence and showing the person threatened or harmed a person or had stolen goods in their possession. On the other hand, while criminal trespass is also committed with intention, the key difference is that it doesn't necessarily have to be with an intention to commit a crime. Just the sheer fact of‚ÄØ being there without authorization‚ÄØis enough to warrant criminal trespass.
Other Things to Know
Most burglars try to determine if an alarm is present before attempting a burglary, and empirically, a clearly visible security system deters them from further illegal activity or malintent.
Source: https://brinkshome.com/smartcenter/burglary-versus-criminal-trespassing
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captain11
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worthing
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I can fully understand wanting to set off an alarm if someone is on your property and triggers a motion alert near your house. FYI, there are definitely products that can do exactly what you are asking for, that are relatively inexpensive, and do not require string, duct tape, a hope and a prayer. :) Unfortunately they aren't SimpliSafe products so you would need another app / vendor but if your need is strong enough then that may not be an issue for you.
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worthing
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For the record, I am cautiously optimistic that they will add some of the functionality that's been requested by you and I and others. I am also realistic that there is functionality they cannot add w/o releasing new hardware (ex. recording to local SD storage) and given their release schedule we're likely several years from an update coming out that might (stress, might) add that functionality. For some of us, that means looking at alternatives because we can't or don't want to wait years for a 'maybe'.
As I've mentioned before, if their products fully meet your needs (or you are confident they will in the future) then I am happy you have found the right product for you. Not all of us feel the same way however and that's not an attack on your opinion. (Or vice versa)
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captain11
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Have a great weekend.
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whoaru99
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hondaman88
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worthing
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I feel like every community, no matter how big or small, has their "ford vs. chevy" intensity topics. I can see that topic being particularly contentious especially when there were reports of vulnerabilities in the SS system way way back.
I don't have any signs or stickers up for the record but if I did I'd prefer generic alarm signs and stickers of some sort. I think it strikes a nice balance of saying, "hey, there are easier targets on this street, move along" without saying "but if you're hell bent on trying this house, here's what you're up against". Maybe I'm paranoid but I generally believe in giving the enemy as little information as possible. In the same way that Boston drivers don't use their turn signals. :)
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anthony_3ca1ff
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2 years ago
Hi, in answer to the original question, if an intruder is spotted outside the property, I presume this is via the outdoor camera? Would the easiest way not be to notify the intruder via the broadcast function that they have been captured on video and no further action will be taken if they vacate the property immediately. Alternatively could you not broadcast a siren noise via the camera which would have the same effect?
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Saddleworn
6 Messages
2 years ago
If you are handy, there is a way to implement remote alarm triggering using only SimpliSafe components, that can be triggered from the app, and that will generate a call from dispatch.
Use the knob on a smart lock to move the magnet of an entry sensor (mounted adjacent to the smart lock) to close and open the sensor and trigger an alarm remotely. Unlocking an exterior door to trigger an alarm when an exterior threat is present is not a good strategy so a dedicated smart lock not installed on a door might be the better solution albeit somewhat expensive.
But it is probably no more expensive than implementing a non-SimpliSafe solution and it has the benefit of being fully integrated into your SS system.
The video shows a proof of concept demonstration of the method using heavy wire for the bracket that needs to be fabricated. The actual bracket would need to be more rigid, but must still be light weight or at least counterbalanced so it doesn't stress the smart lock motor or unlock the door (I originally used more wire in the demo bracket and just this weight was sufficient to turn the knob sufficiently to generate an unlocked notification though not quite enough to completely unlock the lock). Properly implemented, the bracket would be a frictional fit on the knob and would be easily removable when not in use.
MP4 video won't play and I'm not going to create a YouTube video so I posted a couple of photos showing locked and unlocked positions. The wire fits snugly and the rubber insulation provides friction so it stays in place really well. The actual bracket will need to fit similarly.
Name the entry sensor "Remote Alarm". Set Instant Alarm to ON. Set Off to Disable, Home to Disable, and Away to "Alarm".
Name the smart lock "Remote Alarm". Set Auto Lock to Disable, Off Mode to "Do Nothing", Home Mode to "Do Nothing", and Away Mode to "Do Nothing". Do not sync the entry sensor with the smart lock.
Unlock the smart lock from the app to trigger the alarm (make sure the magnet aligns with the sensor when the smart lock is in the locked position).
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joe_6532bb
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2 years ago
The same thing occurred to me. I have external cameras around my house and if I saw someone trying to break in, it would be nice to be able to activate the alarm remotely. If that's possible through the app, it's not obvious to me. Hoping someone can answer this question confirming one way or another. This is not possible, hopefully simply safe will come out with an update that will allow remote alarm activation.
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